23 February 2011

Greedy Teachers


The total compensation package for Milwaukee teachers is $100,000. This is for working eight months per year. So when most other Americans are struggling with cutbacks, lay-offs, business downturns, etc, etc . . . these teachers have the gall to go on strike when they're asked to sacrifice?

I can tell you this much, they're not doing much for their public image. In the eyes of a growing number of Americans, they look like a bunch of spoiled, undisciplined, radical brats.

12 comments:

Clint said...

No disagreement here.

Lindsay Horne said...

Wow...this makes me sick. I am a public school teacher WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE and I make under $40,000 per year. Yes I have my summers off, but I am forced to work through the summers just to supplement my income. I love what I do, but it certainly isn't for the money.

These Milwaukee teachers are out of touch with what is happening in the rest of the country. They ought to be thanking their lucky stars instead of going on strike.

This is just another reason to hate unions as well...

Richard G. Williams, Jr. said...

Hey Lindsay. I had teachers like you - and I loved them. I'm sure there are still many, many more like you as well. Hopefully, these folks are not representative of the majority.

From NC said...

Why should this be surprising or the teachers "greedy"? The typical mid-career salary range for a college graduate in the USA is 80k to 110k. With the non-public sectors having a fully loaded employee cost of 20% to 50% over base salary, that puts the fully loaded employee cost for a typical mid career college graduate in a range from 108k to 149k.

The Milwalkee teachers fall below that typical range, but since they have more time off than most mid career private sector employees it puts them more in the middle of the range.

I don't have a problem paying private sector employees salaries competitive with similarly qualified private sector employees.

Richard G. Williams, Jr. said...

NC - their compensation package is quite competitive to the population at large. If they don't like what they're making, they should do what every other "professional" has to do - go elsewhere. If you want to make similar wages as the private sector, you should have to be exposed to the same risks and realities. Moreover, if you factor in the summer months off, they're making quite a bit more for actual hours worked.

Besides, a case could be made that they SHOULD be paid less:

"Two-thirds of the eighth graders in Wisconsin public schools cannot read proficiently according to the U.S. Department of Education, despite the fact that Wisconsin spends more per pupil in its public schools than any other state in the Midwest."

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/two-thirds-wisconsin-public-school-8th-g

What's your opinion about these teachers lying and calling in "sick" and getting bogus doctor excuses?

from NC said...

"If they don't like what they're making, they should do what every other "professional" has to do - go elsewhere."

It simply isn't true that every other professional has only that option. Airline pilots have some of the the strongest unions in the nation. The AMA is a union in everything but name, and it launched the Physicians for Responsible Negotiation as a union in name too.

"Moreover, if you factor in the summer months off, they're making quite a bit more for actual hours worked."

I calculated that the greater paid time off puts them in the middle of private sector range. If they are productive, that seems fair to me.

"Besides, a case could be made that they SHOULD be paid less:"

I would argue that the statistics you provide do not support lower pay; rather, they support a closer look at what's wrong with the Milwalkee shools. If part of the problem is that some teachers are ineffective (and no doubt that's part), then the statistics support firings for the ineffective teachers not compensation reductions for the effective teachers.

The problem I see with public sector employment practices in general is not that they are over compensated, but that it is so very hard to fire the unproductive ones.

from NC said...

"What's your opinion about these teachers lying and calling in "sick" and getting bogus doctor excuses?"

They should call it what it is. If they want to strike, then they should strike. If not, then they should do their job. The ones who don't should be disciplined according to standard policy.

Richard G. Williams, Jr. said...

NC - "it is so very hard to fire the unproductive ones."

I would agree with you on that. Rewarding achievers in any endeavor is a market oriented approach that would go a long way in helping to solve some of these issues. But it is the Unions that are preventing this - the same organizations pumping up the protests.

Also, I believe that the bill only restricts collective bargaining on benefits, not wages or salaries.

I've never met a Dr. who is either a Union member, nor has that mindset - though I've seen the mindset in Madison, WI - phony excuses.

What's your opinion about these teachers lying and calling in "sick" and getting bogus doctor excuses?

Richard G. Williams, Jr. said...

"They should call it what it is. If they want to strike, then they should strike. If not, then they should do their job. The ones who don't should be disciplined according to standard policy."

We're in agreement there. I also think part of the problem with compensation scales in public education is the fact that many districts/schools are heavy on administration (non-teaching) positions and compensation, which, of course, sucks resources that could be used for teachers and classrooms.

msimons said...

I wish me and my wife together made 100,000 a year with the School District. My Wife works 60 hours a week during the school year. Plus she works a month of Summer School every summer. We made 70,000 last year.

The lying and striking is hurting the public's image of Teachers.

Richard G. Williams, Jr. said...

Yes, Mike, I think most reasonable, objective onlookers have come to that conclusion. Its a shame.

Anonymous said...

NC I don't know where you are getting your numbers from. The average american salary is around $30,000. If you don't mind paying their pensions and health benefits, then you pay it. And you can pay for mine and all the other americans who don't have them.